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 Post subject: Christian Socialism - Social Democracy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:06 pm 
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Christian Socialism - Social Democracy
This web sites carries within it a firm, deep belief and conviction and faith On The Nation of Justice

Justice, Getting behind what is right, helping the poor, fighting injustice has been Men's Battle throughout his Journey, Throughout Mankind.

While Some reached a conclusion that injustice and wrong triumphs, Others Sttod Firm

Long Before I became a Socialist, I turned to GOD The LORD of all that is good, righeous, fair and Just
In My Belief in GOD and an oath to him made me think in terms of Warship, and path
I have not been raised as a Socialist, No One influenced me so strongly or convinced me through Continuous efforts to make me become a Socialist
LIFE, The greatest School, Thought me that the need for Justice, and Social Justice, is an absolute Necessity, a MUST, the ONLY Salvation, the only solution, the only outcome and result of evolution of development of course to history, the Final Result shall be when Humankind succeeds in establishing a Social Democrat Regime
A Revolution, violence, establishing an artificial 'Socialist' regime through the outcome of a military struggle is Out-casted and Totally Rejected in My Philosophy
The ONLY and exclusive and natural Socialist NOT Regime, but a choice, a democratic choice made by the people is the only natural Socialism, a Social Justice embraced by the masses, one which can only be carried on by people’s choice, WHENEVER People Choose to abandon or postpone Socialism, Socialism will obey and respect the people’s choice and NOT, In any way, try to hold on to an artificial continuation of Socialism

The Very Root of this thinking is heavily stressed out, emphasized, clearly Explained in the Holly Bible when Jesus Christ thought us clearly that Christianity is only to be embraced by Free Will

No One can ever deny that after 2010 years, the teachings of Christ are up to date and carry out an example or a wisdom on every aspect and situation

Establishing a Christian Rule ? Absolutely Not, I believe in a secular 'Laique' Rule, Christ also has foreseen this debate and cleared things out: "Give what’s to Cesar To Cesar, and what to the LORD to the LORD"

All This words should not make way for false assumptions, Tolerance is within the very Roots of Social Democracy and Christian Teachings, I will permit myself to go a little far to state out that any Good Atheist who has lived clearly will go to heaven, for GOD is wise and fair, " Do Not Judge or you shall be judged"
Those who go by the sword will go by the sword, This is also our model, Peaceful Civil movements are the ideal for me

Some accuse me of being an utopian, an idealistic perfectionist Romantic Dreamer, and my ways are Not Realistic or practical, I say, some have tried a materialistic 'Pragmatic' methods that relied on heavy mass weapons, and a million strong army empires, but the artificial Socialism who tried to force his way, collapsed and carried no Soul, No Passion, I place my bet and rely on peoples::: AWARENESS
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 Post subject: Re: Christian Socialism - Social Democracy
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:34 pm 
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petermanoukian wrote:
This Post is also availabe on: http://www.petermanoukian.com/about1.php

A Revolution, violence, establishing an artificial 'Socialist' regime through the outcome of a military struggle is Out-casted and Totally Rejected in My Philosophy
The ONLY and exclusive and natural Socialist NOT Regime, but a choice, a democratic choice made by the people is the only natural Socialism, a Social Justice embraced by the masses, one which can only be carried on by people’s choice, WHENEVER People Choose to abandon or postpone Socialism, Socialism will obey and respect the people’s choice and NOT, In any way, try to hold on to an artificial continuation of Socialism

[Bible][/Bible]


I can tell you that Socialism cannot and will not be achieved within the confines of Bourgeois Democracy.
We can sit here and denounce violence, but how much violence has capitalism caused?
Imperialism remains and evil force, killings thousands a day.
So this is why i do not condemn those who use armed struggle as a means of achieving socialism.


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 Post subject: Re: Christian Socialism - Social Democracy
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:58 pm 
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I happen to be watching No Impact Man today and the one key element to come from this was, "How do I make the change that we can do collectively?"

If by peace then great; if by force then we must ask the cost among many other factors. The main purpose of this website network is to explore all options by all of the total socialist movements based on the basic principle of socialism that, "Thesis + Anti-thesis = Synthesis".

Here it matters not if social democrat, democratic socialist, Christian socialist, Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, or other tendency or party. Even the dreaded "Revisionist" and "Trot" are allowed to argue here, being that they can remain civil and give real talking points to their case.


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 Post subject: Re: Christian Socialism - Social Democracy
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Peter Manoukian,
I am a Christian socialist too, and a strong believer in democracy. I am in strong agreement with everything you're saying, particularly about the need for the peaceful rise of socialism, and I hope to learn more about your beliefs.
I do see the incredible challenge of creating socialism within the confines of a Bourgeois Democracy, such as that of the United States. But the true root of this problem is not an aspect of democracy, but the restraints that the upper classes have placed upon it. From the formation of the Union to the modern day, a true democracy has been the greatest fear of the capitalist class. When Marx spoke of the "dictatorship of the proletariat", he spoke of a radical and pure democracy, in which the common man, by virtue of the inherent lower-class majority, would run the government. This can only be achieved through limitations on electoral funding by corporations and wealthy individuals, elimination of such bourgeoisie constructs as the electoral college and formal recognition of political parties (which act in favor of the two established bourgeois parties), as well as limitations on pseudo-representative bodies such as the US Senate. When democracy is formed so that no power has sovereignty above the rule of the majority, only then can true socialism rise through peace.
Though it is perhaps easier to achieve our goals through violence, by choosing the way of peace, we can maintain the higher ground. If we adopt their ways, then we will become them. It is therefore my opinion that peaceful resistance is the only true way to popular rule and to pure socialism.

With honor to all,
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 Post subject: Re: Christian Socialism - Social Democracy
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:40 am 
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An interesting short piece to read is True Socialism by Karl Marx.


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